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'''[https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures alt.games.creatures]''' (or '''AGC''', '''a.g.c''') is a [[Wikipedia:Newsgroup|newsgroup]] devoted to the [[Creatures series]] of games.  
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'''[http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures alt.games.creatures]''' (or '''AGC''', '''a.g.c''') is a [[Wikipedia:Newsgroup|newsgroup]] devoted to the [[Creatures series]] of games.  
  
 
Although a.g.c is a part of the [[Creatures Community]] and its [[history]], it nevertheless has a very definite subculture of its own. At the time of writing (February 2005) it contained approximately 152,000 posts.
 
Although a.g.c is a part of the [[Creatures Community]] and its [[history]], it nevertheless has a very definite subculture of its own. At the time of writing (February 2005) it contained approximately 152,000 posts.
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===JNCOBOY===
 
===JNCOBOY===
There is a thread in a.g.c that has over 7000 replies. It was started on 2 January 1999 by this post from [[JncoBoy]] (now '''WhoLetDaPimpOut'''): [https://groups.google.com/groups?selm=19990102222856.12510.00006630%40ng23.aol.com [JNCOBOY] EVERYONE READ!!!!]
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There is a thread in a.g.c that has over 7000 replies. It was started on 2 January 1999 by this post from [[JncoBoy]] (now '''WhoLetDaPimpOut'''): [http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=19990102222856.12510.00006630%40ng23.aol.com [JNCOBOY] EVERYONE READ!!!!]
  
 
The thread grew and prospered in those turbulent times, even spawning several [[songs#JNCOBOY|songs]].
 
The thread grew and prospered in those turbulent times, even spawning several [[songs#JNCOBOY|songs]].
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:[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]: As of <s>January</s> April 2005, keeping this thread alive seems to be the main purpose of the few remaining a.g.c regulars . . .
 
:[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]: As of <s>January</s> April 2005, keeping this thread alive seems to be the main purpose of the few remaining a.g.c regulars . . .
  
Another recurrent thread was ''AGLAMI and AGC'', commemorating the long-time link between a.g.c and [https://groups.google.co.uk/groups?group=alt.games.lucas-arts.monkey-island alt.games.lucas-arts.monkey-island]:
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Another recurrent thread was ''AGLAMI and AGC'', commemorating the long-time link between a.g.c and [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?group=alt.games.lucas-arts.monkey-island alt.games.lucas-arts.monkey-island]:
  
 
:''Our sane newsgroup about Monkey Island was peaceful, quiet and secluded before AGC started invading us. You lot are nuts beyond belef. You are nuttier than.. ..a very nutty thing. Now stop crossposting.''
 
:''Our sane newsgroup about Monkey Island was peaceful, quiet and secluded before AGC started invading us. You lot are nuts beyond belef. You are nuttier than.. ..a very nutty thing. Now stop crossposting.''
  
 
===Insanely Long Signatures===
 
===Insanely Long Signatures===
This is not unique to a.g.c, but it should be noted that 4-line signatures are [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/msg/c965148ff8aa8ea0?dmode=source ''not'' the rule]; however, [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/msg/14edae024b3d3259?dmode=source cutting them appropriately] out of your replies '''is'''.
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This is not unique to a.g.c, but it should be noted that 4-line signatures are [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/msg/c965148ff8aa8ea0?dmode=source ''not'' the rule]; however, [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/msg/14edae024b3d3259?dmode=source cutting them appropriately] out of your replies '''is'''.
  
 
===eem, the a.g.c Mascot===
 
===eem, the a.g.c Mascot===
[https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/browse_frm/thread/76f06de8e381b89b First posting] on 13 June 1998, [[eem]] was popularly voted the a.g.c mascot, and [https://groups-beta.google.com/groups?num=20&scoring=r&as_ugroup=alt.games.creatures&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=eem made several appearances in person].
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[http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/browse_frm/thread/76f06de8e381b89b First posting] on 13 June 1998, [[eem]] was popularly voted the a.g.c mascot, and [http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?num=20&scoring=r&as_ugroup=alt.games.creatures&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=eem made several appearances in person].
  
 
==History==
 
==History==
  
 
===Origin of a.g.c===
 
===Origin of a.g.c===
Some discussion of [[Creatures]] took place on [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.ai.games comp.ai.games] prior to its release in late 1996, and traffic increased significantly afterwards. After a while it became apparent that this [https://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=58h7q8%24sop%40prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu was irritating] the regulars of that group, who regarded it as being outside of the group's charter - the specified topic of conversation being the AI ''in'' games, not breeding websites or technical support:
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Some discussion of [[Creatures]] took place on [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.ai.games comp.ai.games] prior to its release in late 1996, and traffic increased significantly afterwards. After a while it became apparent that this [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=58h7q8%24sop%40prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu was irritating] the regulars of that group, who regarded it as being outside of the group's charter - the specified topic of conversation being the AI ''in'' games, not breeding websites or technical support:
 
:''"And remember, if you have an [[egg disk]] problem, maybe you should talk to [[Millennium]].  Just a suggestion.  No pressure."''
 
:''"And remember, if you have an [[egg disk]] problem, maybe you should talk to [[Millennium]].  Just a suggestion.  No pressure."''
  
''alt.games.creatures'' was created by Douglas Setser on or around 24 March 1997, having been [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/4ab0420b5d3ddf81/36d8ec12aa98ff94 proposed] [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/901d8e5f3299222c/d532fcedf87c08d1 by] [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/b17e9a05357aaee9/5ee4e2f2463e5c8c many] [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/dddb7502a7cdf83d/e6b479875028ae3b people]. The actual name was [https://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=32a0c34e.245698091%40la-news1.digilink.net suggested by Christer Ericson] on 30 November 1996. The most popular alternate suggestion was ''rec.games.[computer.]creatures'', but as this would have been in the "Big 8" (rather than the [[Wikipedia:Alt hierarchy|alt.* hierarchy]]) it was easier to make the former. Well-known early posters included [[Toby Simpson]], [[slink]], [[Alexander Laemmle]] and [[LummoxJR]].
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''alt.games.creatures'' was created by Douglas Setser on or around 24 March 1997, having been [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/4ab0420b5d3ddf81/36d8ec12aa98ff94 proposed] [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/901d8e5f3299222c/d532fcedf87c08d1 by] [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/b17e9a05357aaee9/5ee4e2f2463e5c8c many] [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/dddb7502a7cdf83d/e6b479875028ae3b people]. The actual name was [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=32a0c34e.245698091%40la-news1.digilink.net suggested by Christer Ericson] on 30 November 1996. The most popular alternate suggestion was ''rec.games.[computer.]creatures'', but as this would have been in the "Big 8" (rather than the [[Wikipedia:Alt hierarchy|alt.* hierarchy]]) it was easier to make the former. Well-known early posters included [[Toby Simpson]], [[slink]], [[Alexander Laemmle]] and [[LummoxJR]].
  
In a heavy dose of irony, ''alt.games.creatures'' was deluged with what many considered to be off-topic posts from Petz players when this game was released. The first attempt to solve this was badly implemented, leading to the creation of ''alt.petz'' - this was rectified by [[RedWordSmith]], who [https://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=36AA3AAA.37241A00%40nic.dreamhost.com proposed] ''alt.games.petz'' in January 1999.
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In a heavy dose of irony, ''alt.games.creatures'' was deluged with what many considered to be off-topic posts from Petz players when this game was released. The first attempt to solve this was badly implemented, leading to the creation of ''alt.petz'' - this was rectified by [[RedWordSmith]], who [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=36AA3AAA.37241A00%40nic.dreamhost.com proposed] ''alt.games.petz'' in January 1999.
  
 
===Secret Adventure Mode===
 
===Secret Adventure Mode===
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===Forking Attempts===
 
===Forking Attempts===
As is common on newsgroups, there is often discussion on whether creating a new group to discuss a specific subset of the topic or to exclude some posts would be appropriate. In general the community has been strongly against such attempts - there is even a [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/msg/a4be553ea8991564 FAQ about it].
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As is common on newsgroups, there is often discussion on whether creating a new group to discuss a specific subset of the topic or to exclude some posts would be appropriate. In general the community has been strongly against such attempts - there is even a [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures/msg/a4be553ea8991564 FAQ about it].
  
In Feburary 1999 [[Dillon]] attempted to create a moderated subgroup, [[alt.games.creatures.moderated]]. It was not created successfully as a moderated group and attracted no significant traffic, although it [https://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=alt.games.creatures.moderated still exists] on several servers. Other unsuccessful attempts/suggestions to fork a.g.c include:
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In Feburary 1999 [[Dillon]] attempted to create a moderated subgroup, [[alt.games.creatures.moderated]]. It was not created succesfully as a moderated group and attracted no significant traffic, although it [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=alt.games.creatures.moderated still exists] on several servers. Other unsuccessful attempts/suggestions to fork a.g.c include:
  
* [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/51ff2bbd3069d4c9/41e7b7cebc921e5d alt.games.creatures.trade] (27 September 1997) - a suggestion that trading [[creature]]s and [[COB]]s might be better accomplished on a subgroup  
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* [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/51ff2bbd3069d4c9/41e7b7cebc921e5d alt.games.creatures.trade] (27 September 1997) - a suggestion that trading [[creature]]s and [[COB]]s might be better accomplished on a subgroup  
* [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/0488206949e224d0/4a07696a4ee23ef5 alt.games.creatures.two] (12 August 1998) - a [[Creatures 2]]-specific newsgroup request by [[Dayon]]
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* [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/0488206949e224d0/4a07696a4ee23ef5 alt.games.creatures.two] (12 August 1998) - a [[Creatures 2]]-specific newsgroup request by [[Dayon]]
* alt.games.creatures.tech (Mid-September - October 1998) - initially [https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/fbed8282c0b82a16/ee3b85a03c2ded0e proposed as alt.tech.games.creatures] by [[Doc Shan]] - this was greeted with surprise by most regulars, who had never heard mention of it on the main group
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* alt.games.creatures.tech (Mid-September - October 1998) - initially [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/fbed8282c0b82a16/ee3b85a03c2ded0e proposed as alt.tech.games.creatures] by [[Doc Shan]] - this was greeted with surprise by most regulars, who had never heard mention of it on the main group
*[https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/50166e350a1f694c/b802f05dcb1fca46 alt.games.creatures.fans] (11 August 1999) - another attempt (this time by [[Dave Dennis]]) to exclude a.g.c regulars:
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*[http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/50166e350a1f694c/b802f05dcb1fca46 alt.games.creatures.fans] (11 August 1999) - another attempt (this time by [[Dave Dennis]]) to exclude a.g.c regulars:
 
:''"There is an existing newsgroup which gets 10-20 posts a day, everyday. The problem with this group is that there are a few regulars who like to show that they know best and put other visitors down."
 
:''"There is an existing newsgroup which gets 10-20 posts a day, everyday. The problem with this group is that there are a few regulars who like to show that they know best and put other visitors down."
  
 
According to [[Ping]], anyone posting to one of these groups will turn into a zombie.
 
According to [[Ping]], anyone posting to one of these groups will turn into a zombie.
  
The only Creatures newsgroup to be created and have a significant level of uptake on [[Wikipedia:Usenet|Usenet]] was '''alt.binaries.games.creatures''', which was [https://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=6m93su%24nub%241%40owl.slip.net proposed] on 17 June 1998 by [[Bibble (person)|Bibble]] and [https://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=6ng08a%24qhu%241%40supernews.com created] on 1 July by [[Jason Westman]].
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The only Creatures newsgroup to be created and have a significant level of uptake on [[Wikipedia:Usenet|Usenet]] was '''alt.binaries.games.creatures''', which was [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=6m93su%24nub%241%40owl.slip.net proposed] on 17 June 1998 by [[Bibble (person)|Bibble]] and [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?threadm=6ng08a%24qhu%241%40supernews.com created] on 1 July by [[Jason Westman]].
  
 
==The Current State of AGC==   
 
==The Current State of AGC==   
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==External Links==
 
==External Links==
[https://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures Google Groups page for AGC]
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[http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.games.creatures Google Groups page for AGC]
 
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